In this episode, Joe interviews Rebecca Kronman, LCSW: Brooklyn-based therapist offering ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, writer, and founder of Plant Parenthood; a digital platform investigating (and de-stigmatizing) the relationship between family and psychedelics. 

She dives into the very controversial topics of psychedelics and parenthood and psychedelics and pregnancy, discussing the safety concerns (medical, emotional, spiritual, and legal); the difficulties of drawing conclusions from inadequate data; the many confounding factors in analyzing children born of psychedelic-using parents; the near impossibility of ethically researching the outcomes of pregnancy and psychedelic use; and why, when you consider the multitude of prescription drugs and unnatural foods so many of us consume, does the idea of a mother taking a psychedelic during pregnancy feel so wrong to so many?

And they talk about much more: the need for affinity groups and how the safety they can provide can lead to better decisions; the concept of considering psychedelics as life-saving medicine (or at least a factor towards the happiness (and therefore health) of the parent); the societal scrutiny mothers face; harm reduction; the idea of addiction being a complication of PTSD; drug exceptionalism; and how disclosing drug use to your children is a great opportunity to move the conversation into one of both compassion and injustice.  

If the combination of psychedelics, parenthood, and pregnancy make you feel a little conflicted, you’re not alone. After you’ve checked out Plant Parenthood, make sure to read Kronman’s post in the Psychedelics Today blog!

Notable Quotes

“When we look at doing an environmental study (where people are already doing this and then we’re looking at the outcomes), then we have another issue, which is the confounding factors. I can’t put you in a bubble and feed you the food that I want to feed you or [not] expose you to environmental toxins …and not expose you to stress in your personal circumstances and your sociocultural circumstances- that’s not a thing. There’s a lot of different substances that birthing parents are exposed to during their pregnancy, and to parse that out and say, ‘Does this one create a birth defect?’ for example; it’s very, very difficult. And maybe not even possible.”

“We need to really take a look at how the criminal justice and child protective system is intervening in cases where yes, [the] birthing parent is using drugs, but does that necessarily mean that they are not parenting adequately? We’ve made the leap that it must be true that if you’re a drug-using parent, you must be an inadequate parent. But that’s bullshit.”

“We’re moving into this phase of psychedelics where people are using these as life-saving treatments. Literally. You don’t take away a life-saving treatment during pregnancy. We don’t have a framework for doing that with SSRIS, for example. We don’t have a framework for doing that with heart medication. So why are we thinking about this so differently?” 

Links

Plantph.com

Facebook: plantparnthood

Instagram: @plant_parnt_hood

RebeccaKronman.com

Fluencetraining.com

Psychedelics Today: Psychedelics and Pregnancy: A Look Into the Safety, Research and Legality

Psychedelic Parenting podcast

Nature.com: The Effect of LSD-25 on the Chromosomes of Children Exposed in Utero

Mormons on Mushrooms podcast

​​Acid Test: LSD vs. LDS, by Christopher Kimball Bigelow

Psychedelics Today: PT257 – Robin Divine – Black People Trip

Pubmed: Five-year follow-up of rural Jamaican children whose mothers used marijuana during pregnancy

Frontiersin.org: Totality of the Evidence Suggests Prenatal Cannabis Exposure Does Not Lead to Cognitive Impairments: A Systematic and Critical Review

Thedailybeast.com: Government Blacklisted Her for Smoking Legal Medical Marijuana While Pregnant

Druglibrary.org: The Myth of the “Crack Babies,” by Ellen Goodman (Boston Sunday Globe, 1/12/92) (where the placenta vs. society and protection quote is from)

About Rebecca Kronman

Rebecca Kronman, LCSW, is a licensed therapist, mother of two and founder of Plant Parenthood, a digital and in-person community of parents who use psychedelics. She is a psychotherapist with a private practice in Brooklyn, New York, where she offers ketamine-assisted psychotherapy and works with clients to prepare for and integrate after psychedelic experiences. She is also a writer, and wrote “Psychedelics and Pregnancy: A Look Into the Safety, Research and Legality” for us.

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